Lynn Massie 💙
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first you punch down on Native Americans/Indigenous people, and now this?

what is going on with "allies?"
Jim Plunkett @JimP32
This is a bit simplistic, but basically correct

Trans M->F athletes should qualify/DSQ as if they were taking M hormones as PEDs for the time & doses they were circulating in their blood pre-transition

If a sport allows F-athletes to take testosterone++ from age 12-18?, then compete, else DSQd
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Jim Plunkett
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In response to Lynn Massie 💙.
What is it that you think is unfair abt measuring hormone levels? Someone who transitioned early (or blocked puberty then took normal levels of hormone) would pass easily

I said Jenner's approach was oversimplisitc, but ignoring that some can get hormones that others don't is unfair.
08:09 PM - Mar 18, 2024
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RA
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In response to Jim Plunkett.
I think you need to do considerably more reading about hormone levels in both cis and trans folx, before you make uninformed comments like this.

And as a former elite female athlete, I can say without question that we don't need you to "protect" our sports from trans women.
08:18 PM - Mar 18, 2024
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Jim Plunkett
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Hey! good to meet another fmr world-level competitor here!

It's not the current hormone levels I'm referring to, it's the M levels of androgens through the growth years, when the serious muscle base & bone struct is built

I'll take your nudge and read more too; any pointers welcome
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09:34 PM - Mar 18, 2024
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RA
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In response to Jim Plunkett.
My suggestion would be to widen your concept of what a woman can be as you learn more. Hormones are not cut and dry, and neither is gender. For example, setting aside trans folx for a minute, there is natural occurring overlap in testosterone levels of women with PCOS and men with low testosterone.
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Jim Plunkett
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In response to RA.
Yes, def a wide range, and indeed overlap, on basically every parameter & combination. Overlaps edge-cases are *very* hard

Elite sport is different; the *only* area I have any trans issue

So far, literally the 1st study I found in today's search quite confirmed my prev knowledge
I'll keep looking
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