In response to Anthony.
I'll say this again.
This was never about porn. CB made it sound like people wanted to post porn. This is the problem.
This was never about porn. CB made it sound like people wanted to post porn. This is the problem.
12:28 PM - Feb 23, 2023
In response to Christopher Bouzy.
Please explain to me how continuing to call people trolls and dunking on marginalized people who had legit questions about a policy they'd never read before is respectful and not toxic. I live-spouted your Spaces yesterday. I think you should read the thread.
I'm nonbinary, queer, disabled, AuDHD
I'm nonbinary, queer, disabled, AuDHD
02:30 PM - Feb 22, 2023
In response to Christopher Bouzy.
Stop. Doing. This.
The 3-week-old startup hasn't tested edge cases yet, & people were asking for clarification about specific edge cases that you refused to provide guidance for. These people were Black, brown, Asian, white, etc. & of different genders.
You're making it unsafe to ask question
The 3-week-old startup hasn't tested edge cases yet, & people were asking for clarification about specific edge cases that you refused to provide guidance for. These people were Black, brown, Asian, white, etc. & of different genders.
You're making it unsafe to ask question
02:24 PM - Feb 22, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
Spoutible can be better.
Spoutible SHOULD be better.
Spoutible CAN'T be better if its CEO is going to interpret criticism as a personal attack.
Please be better.
Actually BE a safe space and not just the lesser evil.
You'll have to do a LOT to regain the trust of many marginalized folks.
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Spoutible SHOULD be better.
Spoutible CAN'T be better if its CEO is going to interpret criticism as a personal attack.
Please be better.
Actually BE a safe space and not just the lesser evil.
You'll have to do a LOT to regain the trust of many marginalized folks.
END
07:37 PM - Feb 21, 2023
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In response to Karistina Lafae.
And CB himself just used the "unhinged" ableist slur. STOP THE ABLEIST SLURS. Just because it's not racism or antisemitism or transphobia doesn't mean it's not bigotry. It's ableism, and mentally ill people like me are harmed when these euphemisms for mental illness are used as pejoratives. 33/
07:29 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
Trying to live-spout this Spaces recording, even at 1.5x speed, was clearly a mistake with my energy-limiting disabilities, but what I'm saying needs to be said.
FYI: I'm not on TikTok for the reasons you're pointing out. I'd leave Twitter if my friends would follow me elsewhere. 32/
FYI: I'm not on TikTok for the reasons you're pointing out. I'd leave Twitter if my friends would follow me elsewhere. 32/
07:27 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
to do that here. We are HAPPY that Spoutible doesn't allow MAGA bigots, Nazis, and other hate groups to unleash their vitriol here. We are UPSET that people asking about a policy they'd never read before are being lumped in with bigots and NAZIS.
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07:24 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
This guy asking a question referred to people like me as "unhinged." That's an ableist slur that should have been called out. And it's disingenuous to imply that people criticizing Spoutible aren't also criticizing the Greater Evils. Because we do. All the time, we do. We didn't think we'd have 30/
07:22 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
The tone was set by YOU, CB, not by "those 30 accounts."
You KNOW what it means to be tone policed. You KNOW what it means to criticize the status quo about legit problems & be dismissed & mischaracterized as "problematic" & "negative." Toxic positivity exists. That's what you're on about. 29/
You KNOW what it means to be tone policed. You KNOW what it means to criticize the status quo about legit problems & be dismissed & mischaracterized as "problematic" & "negative." Toxic positivity exists. That's what you're on about. 29/
07:20 PM - Feb 21, 2023
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In response to Karistina Lafae.
on a systemic (on Spoutible) level. The people who are venting on Twitter about Spoutible in these last 72 hours WANTED TO BE ON SPOUTIBLE. They didn't want to post porn on Spoutible. They wanted to know that people like them (of which I am one) were welcome here. You MADE them unwelcome. 28/
07:18 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
a villain & a liar for trying to speak up about injustices ON SPOUTIBLE.
Because right now, Spoutible isn't the safe space it was promised to be. Right now, it's the lesser evil.
Right now, I'm begging CB to listen to people like me. I'm begging him to see how his actions have been abusive 27/
Because right now, Spoutible isn't the safe space it was promised to be. Right now, it's the lesser evil.
Right now, I'm begging CB to listen to people like me. I'm begging him to see how his actions have been abusive 27/
07:14 PM - Feb 21, 2023
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In response to Karistina Lafae.
people while pretending you're "standing up to" entitled white cishet women acting as "agent provocateurs."
Literally overnight, I lost trust and respect for CB and Spoutible. I'm still here because I want to advocate for positive change even though I've already had other users treat me like 26/
Literally overnight, I lost trust and respect for CB and Spoutible. I'm still here because I want to advocate for positive change even though I've already had other users treat me like 26/
07:11 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
who aren't marginalized in the same ways to not see how "CB sticking to his guns" is harmful to multiply marginalized people who have questions about OTHER policies that they're now too afraid to ask about because they don't want all of Spoutible to bully them.
Y'all are bullying marginalized 25/
Y'all are bullying marginalized 25/
07:09 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
please don't use "people voted for this" as a weapon against nuance. If I'd known how my vote would be characterized, I would have voted differently. My "no porn" vote was not meant to give validity to the ongoing harassment of other users doing sex-adjacent work. It's really easy for people 24/
07:06 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
Straight up: I voted against allowing porn on the site. That vote did NOT mean I wanted anything "sexually suggestive" to be a possible reason for getting suspended. There's a huge difference between not wanting to see porn on the platform and not wanting anything REMOTELY sexual allowed. So 23/
07:02 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
is bullying people in his spouts, in this SPACES thing... Please look at your behavior from the perspective of a queer disabled person whose work may be sexually suggestive but never pornographic.
The next spout is going to be about the whole voting against porn talking point. 22/
The next spout is going to be about the whole voting against porn talking point. 22/
06:59 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
There's a lot of gaslighting going on in here. I was trying to get ALL OF MY FRIENDS to join Spoutible before CB started using his Spoutible account to bully critics with valid concerns. Listening to this recording is not making me feel better about the platform. Instead of a safe space, the CEO 21/
06:57 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
This is a really hostile response to this sex worker's question. CB is STILL pushing the line (that he denied saying) that "most sex workers are actually being sex trafficked and we can't know they're not being forced." And didn't allow her to respond. He bulldozed right over her. FUCKED UP. 20/
06:50 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
CB *still* isn't answering her question about what "sexually suggestive" means. He's admitting that Spoutible's policy is too vague, and he's only saying "as long as you're not committing a sex act, you MOST LIKELY won't have your content removed."
MOST LIKELY is the problem. 19/
MOST LIKELY is the problem. 19/
06:48 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
A sex worker came on right after a call for people with "opposing opinions" only to be interrupted and spoken over and gaslit about what she heard CB say when this Spaces thing began. He did say what Michelle (?) and CB denied he said. It was a statement about sex workers, and it was wrong. 18/
06:45 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
were genuine questions that were NOT ABOUT PORN. That's where the outrage is coming from. Because of the straw man you set up making it seem like "30 people were trying to force us to allow porn." That wasn't it.
OH FUCK NO. 17/
OH FUCK NO. 17/
06:43 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
Thanks to the person who asked about the "three strikes" rule. I'd like to point out that people suspended for "harassment and bullying" weren't given a first or second strike. They just found out they'd been suspended without warning for ASKING QUESTIONS. They weren't leading questions, they 16/
06:40 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
to people who can't find clarification from statements like "we support sex workers" because that doesn't answer specific concerns. People are making Twitter threads because they are afraid they will be met with the same hostility if they bring those concerns to you on here. 15/
06:38 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
know where the boundaries actually are. Asking questions is not an attack. When you don't answer questions & people are left to speculate, ennumerating their concerns about edge cases on Twitter isn't disinformation. It's a list of unanswered questions & concerns because your spouts are HOSTILE 14/
06:31 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
kinds. The fact that people came up with long Twitter threads about what happened with Courtney et al is NOT a sign that this was any type of "planned, coordinated attack." It was the result of marginalized people getting upset about how the CEO interacted with marginalized people who wanted to 13/
06:28 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
attack. Your apology at the beginning of this recording was NOT adequate for the harm you've caused people. This includes the users you suspended AND those who share the concerns of those users.
P.S. Long threads are common among neurodivergent people, disabled people, and activities of all 12/
P.S. Long threads are common among neurodivergent people, disabled people, and activities of all 12/
06:26 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
labelled as "coordinated attacks" because we have valid concerns about the way other people asking questions and suggesting that clarifications are needed are "attacking" Spoutible. The platform is young & it's concerning that constructive criticism is still being characterized as an unjustified 11/
06:23 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
A lot of us are neurodivergent and need concrete answers to questions rather than just having the same wording copied and pasted as a response. (Currently listening to the furry question which mentioned neurodivergence.) It's upsetting that those of us still asking these questions are getting 10/
06:19 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
man, but you are cishet, you're financially secure & in a position of power, who is wielding that power as a bludgeon against people who have LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS about nuances and edge cases that AREN'T PORN but could be considered "sexually suggestive." People's livelihoods are rarely G-rated. 9/
06:17 PM - Feb 21, 2023
In response to Karistina Lafae.
And she's not the only one. I don't have just "1 Black friend." The people who want more clarification about what "sexually suggestive" includes are diverse and a FAR larger population than the "30 trolls" you keep referring to in order to make yourself out to be a victim.
Yes you are a Black 8/
Yes you are a Black 8/
06:13 PM - Feb 21, 2023
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