Sabine Savvidis
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Hamas is a terrorist organization hellbent on eradicating the Jewish people and has to be eliminated.
Netanyahu is a corrupt, very far-right individual clinging to power, without a conscience, who has to go.

Why do so many people fail to recognize that two things can be true at the same time?
02:48 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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bfitzinAR
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In response to Sabine Savvidis.
And a 3rd fact - genocide is wrong whoever is doing it and whoever it's being done to.
03:09 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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Blair Houghton
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In response to bfitzinAR.
Hamas wants genocide. Israel isn't even close to it.
03:11 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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Arik Absurd
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In response to Blair Houghton.
Which one just levelled a refugee camp?
03:30 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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Blair Houghton
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In response to Arik Absurd.
Nobody did. The refugee camps are bigger than the small area you may have seen (or may not, I don't know how big a liar you are, but I'm about to find out).

And any damage in Gaza is on Hamas. Their terrorism started this war, and their use of civilian population as human shields is a war crime.
03:40 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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bfitzinAR
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In response to Blair Houghton.
Hamas isn't bombing Gaza. Israel is. That is a fact. No matter how many times or ways you try to twist it to make it OK for Israel to commit war crimes, it's not OK. It's genocide. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel is a state committing war crimes. This is a fact.
04:00 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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Blair Houghton
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In response to bfitzinAR.
The fact is you are ignorant of what is and isn't a war crime.

Bombing combatants isn't a war crime. Nor is the collateral damage from bombing combatants. Hiding among noncombatants is.
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04:04 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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bfitzinAR
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In response to Blair Houghton.
If your calling children combatants then you obviously DO NOT CARE what's actually happening. And you've had your 3rd go. Blocked.
04:41 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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LD Jones
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In response to bfitzinAR.
I bet Blair is totally unaware Israel's founding fathers carried out a decade plus long terrorist campaign to carve out lands for the Jewish people and therefore, by his logic, Hamas was justified in their retaliation

I don't believe that, but Blair seems to think fit for tat is acceptable
04:57 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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Blair Houghton
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In response to LD Jones.
That didn't happen, but if you're living on 75-year-old Arab terrorist propaganda, much less believing it justifies thousands of terrorist rockets fired at random now, and Israel can just die from it, you're probably not rational enough to carry on a conversation with anyway.
09:54 PM - Oct 31, 2023
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LD Jones
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In response to Blair Houghton.
So you are saying David Ben-Gurion's authorised biographer lied to make him look bad?

That Menachem Begin lied in his autobios?

Or maybe you just aren't aware of the history of the situation.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11525438
10:14 AM - Nov 01, 2023
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Blair Houghton
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In response to LD Jones.
I'm saying that 1948 and before is zero justification.

The UN gave Israel to them knowing who and what they were. The Arabs have started and lost several wars since then. They have zero legal or moral authority left. Anyone trying to give them any wants terrorism to be law and Israel exterminated.
11:22 AM - Nov 01, 2023
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LD Jones
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In response to Blair Houghton.
1948 is a convenient place to draw the line instead of about 15 years earlier when the Jewish insurgency started, especially since a common argument is the bible.

To protect Jewish civilians, Hamas needs to be eradicated, but that should not come at the expense of Arab civilians. Period.
12:33 PM - Nov 01, 2023 (Edited)
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Blair Houghton
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In response to LD Jones.
There are no lines to be drawn. Nothing before 10/7 matters, least of all whining about either side's crimes going back through peace agreements and several wars.

On 10/7 Hamas betrayed all law and peace and humanitarian efforts and committed thousands of criminal murders.

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12:46 PM - Nov 01, 2023
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Blair Houghton
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In response to Blair Houghton.
Israel does not target civilians. Hamas does.

International law allows IDF to pursue Hamas. If Hamas illegally sites itself among Arab civilians, then collateral damage is on Hamas. That's the law. Israel is not required not to fire at combatants just because noncombatants will be hurt.
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12:51 PM - Nov 01, 2023
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Blair Houghton
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In response to Blair Houghton.
Bottom line: Hamas is forfeit. Israel is justified in killing them where they are. Israel is not culpable for collateral damage, and are not working to make it worse. Arab civilians will unfortunately die, and that is Hamas' fault.
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12:53 PM - Nov 01, 2023 (Edited)
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LD Jones
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In response to Blair Houghton.
Israel has been targeting civilians for years.

Recently the IDF was ordered to shoot children protestors in the ankles.

They were shown to have wilfully assassinated a female journalist in the last few years.

Increasingly, Christians on pilgrimage are being assaulted by citizens. Look it up.
01:23 PM - Nov 01, 2023
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Roberto Ortiz-Puig
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Hamas is the one that uses human shields and sets up their headquarters in civilian location to propagate a narrative. They also shoot rockets from residential neighborhoods for the same reasons.
In response to LD Jones.
03:01 PM - Nov 01, 2023
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LD Jones
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In response to Roberto Ortiz-Puig.
Agreed. Hamas needs to be eradicated.

All I have done is provide the historical context of the fracas.

Some people just refuse to believe that Jewish settlers fought a terrorist war through the 30s and 40s where they massacred women and children, and where they bombed the UK embassy in Rome.
03:12 PM - Nov 01, 2023
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